Post by prisnidd on Apr 20, 2013 3:26:46 GMT -5
There are some sanskrit words describing various aspects on eagerness, lobha, loylam.
But what eagerness, and hoe much?
From a manager's viewpoint, when some devotees are given a task "service" to do, but later are found being lazy in the brahmacari asrama, I don't see that as eagerness. As a manager you learn which devotees are self-propelling and which you have to drag around to do things.
So eagerness or not appears to materialize early.
No manager, or temple president is going to stand there at your siddha deha to see to that you do your seva properly. You have to be totally self propelled.
Particularly for madhura-rasa the perfected stage means social interaction all the time. Interaction with the leader of the yutha, the group leader, others like you and maybe even those beyond you. Actually it is just like normal devotee interaction is supposed to be. Why then are devotees not extrraordinarily eager for such social interaction? Maybe it goes on in some places, but I have not see it.
What is so hard and fearful with personal social interaction?
Most appears to look at intellectual requirements, to quote verses, to learn what it says, chant mantras and so on, but what about learning loving social interaction?
I have observed humans, persons for years, and it appears that many young girls have just that eagerness for social interaction. But then something happens, and when the girls become ladies, all eagerness for new social interaction appears dead.
Now think, the gopis are just young girls, and particularly socially active. Some think they can isolate social interaction on "spiritual" platform, on level of the siddha deha, but I believe that. If the desire for social interaction develops, that desire also reflects on dealing between devotees. And spiritual sources like Caitanya Caritamrita also appears to confirm that. It is also a matter of attracting Krishna with our sparkling personality, and the only place to train on that is on the material platform. Or in other words, the inter-devotee dealings is a training ground for spiritual social interaction, and being accepted for pure spiritual level social interaction depends on our eagerness for just that.
So the words for eagerness are not just empty words of some mystical spiritual spiritual state, but our eagerness is shown on the material platform too. Then raganuga bhakti becomes a practice for graduates.
Prabhupada, when asked on raganuga topics, always appears to have answered "later".
Maybe that did not mean a mystic spiritual later, but he saw that devotees were not even qualified to interact socially properly between thenmselves on that "material" level, and therefore were not ready for graduate raganuga level?
Raganuga bhakti is spontaneous meaning no tempel authority is going to wake you up for doing service. You have to be eager to do service yourself, for doing your sadhana.
You by nature interact with other devotees in a good way (at least from your side), you are ready for the graduate level. And of course Krishna is not going to allow you to disturb one of his ragatmika devotees if you can't deal with the situation socially properly.
Our ragatmika guide is a real person and a sofisticated person, and we have to show eagerness to build up a real relationship with that person. Maybe s/he have an intrest to pick up lost puppy dogs, and we get a certain allowanse to make stupid mistakes in the beginning, but we have to show eagerness to learn and not repeat the mistakes.
And those raganuga practicing devotees around us might be our very friends that we take birth together with in baumi lila, so we have to show affection and friendship to them already now.
So do we have eagerness?
But what eagerness, and hoe much?
From a manager's viewpoint, when some devotees are given a task "service" to do, but later are found being lazy in the brahmacari asrama, I don't see that as eagerness. As a manager you learn which devotees are self-propelling and which you have to drag around to do things.
So eagerness or not appears to materialize early.
No manager, or temple president is going to stand there at your siddha deha to see to that you do your seva properly. You have to be totally self propelled.
Particularly for madhura-rasa the perfected stage means social interaction all the time. Interaction with the leader of the yutha, the group leader, others like you and maybe even those beyond you. Actually it is just like normal devotee interaction is supposed to be. Why then are devotees not extrraordinarily eager for such social interaction? Maybe it goes on in some places, but I have not see it.
What is so hard and fearful with personal social interaction?
Most appears to look at intellectual requirements, to quote verses, to learn what it says, chant mantras and so on, but what about learning loving social interaction?
I have observed humans, persons for years, and it appears that many young girls have just that eagerness for social interaction. But then something happens, and when the girls become ladies, all eagerness for new social interaction appears dead.
Now think, the gopis are just young girls, and particularly socially active. Some think they can isolate social interaction on "spiritual" platform, on level of the siddha deha, but I believe that. If the desire for social interaction develops, that desire also reflects on dealing between devotees. And spiritual sources like Caitanya Caritamrita also appears to confirm that. It is also a matter of attracting Krishna with our sparkling personality, and the only place to train on that is on the material platform. Or in other words, the inter-devotee dealings is a training ground for spiritual social interaction, and being accepted for pure spiritual level social interaction depends on our eagerness for just that.
So the words for eagerness are not just empty words of some mystical spiritual spiritual state, but our eagerness is shown on the material platform too. Then raganuga bhakti becomes a practice for graduates.
Prabhupada, when asked on raganuga topics, always appears to have answered "later".
Maybe that did not mean a mystic spiritual later, but he saw that devotees were not even qualified to interact socially properly between thenmselves on that "material" level, and therefore were not ready for graduate raganuga level?
Raganuga bhakti is spontaneous meaning no tempel authority is going to wake you up for doing service. You have to be eager to do service yourself, for doing your sadhana.
You by nature interact with other devotees in a good way (at least from your side), you are ready for the graduate level. And of course Krishna is not going to allow you to disturb one of his ragatmika devotees if you can't deal with the situation socially properly.
Our ragatmika guide is a real person and a sofisticated person, and we have to show eagerness to build up a real relationship with that person. Maybe s/he have an intrest to pick up lost puppy dogs, and we get a certain allowanse to make stupid mistakes in the beginning, but we have to show eagerness to learn and not repeat the mistakes.
And those raganuga practicing devotees around us might be our very friends that we take birth together with in baumi lila, so we have to show affection and friendship to them already now.
So do we have eagerness?
