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Post by srikrishnadas on Apr 17, 2020 0:10:40 GMT -5
Hare Krishna,
I been reading Bhajan Rahasya from Sri Narayan Maharaj english version.
on page 201 of the book , I see below paragraph.
Parakīya-rase sadā – The scriptures establish the pre-eminence of the paramour love (parakīya-rasa ) of Vraja. By serving Śrī Rādhā- Kṛṣṇa in the mood of wedded love (svakīya), one will attain Goloka Vṛndāvana, and by serving in paramour love (parakīya), one will attain Vraja-Vṛndāvana, the absolute innermost chamber of Golokadhāma, where Śrī Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa’s nikuñja-līlās take place.
here it is said that, when served in the mood of wedded love, one attains Goloka Vrindavan and when served in the mood of Paramour love one attains Vraj Vrindavan.
can you please elaborate on this topic as are these two different places?
or point me towards scriptures written by Goswami to read more about this.
thank you very much
Hare Krishna
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Post by Uttamasloka on Apr 18, 2020 17:20:39 GMT -5
I've read all of the acaryas primary books and I don't recall seeing any detailed descriptions of these two inner realms. We only have the asta-kaliya-lila which is solely based on parakiya-rasa.
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Post by srikrishnadas on Apr 19, 2020 0:18:41 GMT -5
Hare Krishna,
thank you.
so ashta yam lila is happening in Bhouma Aprakat (unmanifested) Vrindavan or in spiritual realm?
i am confused about this, please clear my doubt.
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Post by Uttamasloka on Apr 19, 2020 15:57:42 GMT -5
According to Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura, in his commentaries to the 10th canto, there is both an aprakata (unmanifest) and prakata (manifest) aspect to bhauma-lila. We know what the manifest lila is but Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura doesn't go into any details about the aprakata bhauma-lila, other than to say that Krsna never leaves that Vrndavana.
So it may follow the asta-kaliya-lila model, which is what happens eternally in Goloka in the spiritual world in the inner most sanctum of Vrndavana.
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Post by srikrishnadas on Apr 30, 2020 10:13:02 GMT -5
Thank you . Hare Krishna
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Post by srikrishnadas on Jan 24, 2021 3:57:18 GMT -5
Hare Krishna,
I was reading Srila Vishwanath Chakravarty Thakur's tika on Bhakti Rasamrit Sindhu and came across verse 1.2.303.
Those who have a desire to taste the sweetness of Rädhä and Kåñëa in Våndävana, but worship according to vaidhi-bhakti, using nyäsas and mudräs, do not attain Kåñëa in Dvärakä with Rukmiëé, because they do not have that aspiration. Nor can they attain Rädhä and Kåñëa in Våndävana, because they lack the worship on the path of räga. Therefore, since they have a predominance of awareness of Kåñëa as the Lord (äiçvarya-jïäna) in worship according to the path of rules (vidhi), they attain Rädhä and Kåñëa in a portion of Våndävana called Goloka, in correspondence to that worship. It is understood that they do not attain the Våndävana of pure sweetness.
so by reading above I get below understanding
In spiritual realm, Sri Goloka has swakiya and parakiya portions where Divine couple live simultaneously with wedded and non-wedded Bhav respectively.
is my understanding correct? if yes then my original question of this post makes sense as Srila Narayan Maharaj wrote below
By serving Śrī Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa in the mood of wedded love (svakīya), one will attain Goloka Vṛndāvana, and by serving in paramour love (parakīya), one will attain Vraja-Vṛndāvana, the absolute innermost chamber of Golokadhāma, where Śrī Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa’s nikuñja-līlās take place.
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Post by Uttamasloka on Jan 24, 2021 20:03:21 GMT -5
Hare Krishna, I was reading Srila Vishwanath Chakravarty Thakur's tika on Bhakti Rasamrit Sindhu and came across verse 1.2.303. Those who have a desire to taste the sweetness of Rädhä and Kåñëa in Våndävana, but worship according to vaidhi-bhakti, using nyäsas and mudräs, do not attain Kåñëa in Dvärakä with Rukmiëé, because they do not have that aspiration. Nor can they attain Rädhä and Kåñëa in Våndävana, because they lack the worship on the path of räga. Therefore, since they have a predominance of awareness of Kåñëa as the Lord (äiçvarya-jïäna) in worship according to the path of rules (vidhi), they attain Rädhä and Kåñëa in a portion of Våndävana called Goloka, in correspondence to that worship. It is understood that they do not attain the Våndävana of pure sweetness. so by reading above I get below understanding In spiritual realm, Sri Goloka has swakiya and parakiya portions where Divine couple live simultaneously with wedded and non-wedded Bhav respectively. is my understanding correct? if yes then my original question of this post makes sense as Srila Narayan Maharaj wrote below By serving Śrī Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa in the mood of wedded love (svakīya), one will attain Goloka Vṛndāvana, and by serving in paramour love (parakīya), one will attain Vraja-Vṛndāvana, the absolute innermost chamber of Golokadhāma, where Śrī Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa’s nikuñja-līlās take place. Good observations. Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura's statement does not directly indicate svakiya-rasa. It only indicates a mood which is not quite as intimate as the inner Vraja lila mood. There are extensive discussions in Ujjvala-nilamani by Jiva Gosvami and Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura in their commentaries where they analyze svakiya versus parakiya and they don't mention any svakiya-rasa in any part of Goloka. Sanatana Gosvami also discusses the different levels of perfection one may attain in Vrndavana. It's not the same for everyone. From Brihad-bhagavatamrita: The disciplines by which devotees in practice can reach Śrī Goloka – those very same disciplines let them see the Lord performing pastimes like those of Gokula, completely satisfied, in vraja-bhümi in the mortal world. BB, 2.5.172 Sanātana Gosvāmī’s commentary: To search out the Lord in Gokula, Gopa-kumāra need not go down to the earth, but he does need to learn the sādhana, the special practices, for attaining Kṛṣṇa’s personal abode. For intimate associates like Nanda Mahārāja no spiritual practice is needed, because they are eternal vraja-vāsīs. But for everyone else, careful endeavor is required. On this path, not everyone attains the same level of success. A devotee may develop bhakti to the point of being able to see Kṛṣṇa but may not be able to see Him busily enjoying the special pastimes of Vṛndāvana with His intimate devotees. When more advanced, a Vaiṣṇava may occasionally see Kṛṣṇa engaging in His Vṛndāvana pastimes but not displaying the full scope of His blissful enjoyment. And even such a Vaiṣṇava may not be fortunate enough to enter Kṛṣṇa’s eternal pastimes and play with Kṛṣṇa in absolute freedom. The highest perfection of bhakti is rarely achieved.
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Post by srikrishnadas on Jan 25, 2021 1:13:50 GMT -5
Hare Krishna,
Thank you very much for the response.
I recently started reading Gopal champu as well, completed only first 2 chapters.
I get a feeling by reading Srila Jiva Goswami's work is that in Goloka Vrindavan Sri Sri Radha Krishna staying together like husband wife.
my reference are verse 161-166 of chapter 2.
background is Madhukanth and Snigdhkantha (twin Arjun trees) have arrived in Goloka in Sri Yashoda Maiya's house and then Krishna takes both of them in his room and meets Sri Radha.
161. Receiving the blessings and garments from Mother Yasoda, the two boys requested permission to depart. Taking the boys with Him, blissful Krsna entered His bedroom to take rest. He had the boys sit down. Then He sat down next to Sri Radha.
164. When Krsna introduced them, Sri Radha happily, gracefully, and playfully honoured the two saintly boys.
165. After sending the boys back to their uncle’s home, Lord Krsna entered His own charming palace.
166. Approaching Krsna, Radha respectfully offered Him a sitting place. She fanned Him and served Him in many ways. Then Krsna lay down on His bed. Then Radha withdrew from Krsna’s sight. To Her friends Radha said, “Please do not let Krsna ever know I am here.”
now when we read Govind Lilamrit or Krishna Bhavnamrit , the two Ashta Kala Lila books, we understand only parakiya bhav and how Divine couple go for abhisaar just at the end of pradosh lila from their own houses towards Kunja or some already decided place in Vrindavan for that day.
but by reading Gopal champu I got feeling that divine couple is staying in Sri Yashoda Maiya's house at night.
I personally is more interested in Parakiya bhav leela, so should I not read Gopal Champu? or am I not understanding properly Gopal champu ?
thanks in advance
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Post by Uttamasloka on Jan 25, 2021 1:23:06 GMT -5
Hare Krishna, Now when we read Govind Lilamrit or Krishna Bhavnamrit , the two Ashta Kala Lila books, we understand only parakiya bhav and how Divine couple go for abhisaar just at the end of pradosh lila from their own houses towards Kunja or some already decided place in Vrindavan for that day. but by reading Gopal champu I got feeling that divine couple is staying in Sri Yashoda Maiya's house at night. I personally is more interested in Parakiya bhav leela, so should I not read Gopal Champu? or am I not understanding properly Gopal champu ? thanks in advance It's true that svakiya appears to be part of Vraja lila as described in Gopala-campu, but Jiva Gosvami explains in his Ujjvala-nilamani commentaries that he only did that to appease certain people of that particular time and place. It was not his final conclusion, which he stated was parakiya-rasa as explained by Rupa Gosvami. So to answer your question, if the mood you are feeling from reading Gopala-campu is not fully congruous with your inner aspirations, then just focus on the asta-kaliya-lila books instead and they will be more favorable.
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Post by srikrishnadas on Jan 25, 2021 10:27:32 GMT -5
Hare Krishna thanks a ton.
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